There is no rapture. Hasta lluego….baby.

So a few of you might know about my youtube page, where I
upload videos talking about random things whether it be theology, life, occult symbolism in music or end times eschatology.

So, like the scandalous person I am, I made a video about how I believe that biblically there is no rapture. Yes, I repeat…I don’t believe in a biblical rapture. Yes, I am a Christian. Please hear me out on this first before you get ready to throw me in the grinder! I know you’re staring at the screen with a pitchfork in your hand..so please, put the pitchfork down.

Now that your pitchfork is (partially) down. My main reason for arguing against the rapture is this: All doctrines and theology need to be supported by scripture- or else, as believers we really shouldn’t pay heresies or “suggestions” much attention. Secondly, context context context! Everything must be understood and studied in the biblical context it was written in. This man made doctrine can’t be supported by scripture once you read the “rapture verses” in it’s true context.

Whenever I discuss this with people I always get the same responses on this subject with individuals using the same scriptures…over…and over…and…well, you get my point? Ya? So I figured I would share a response with yall, that I got on my youtube video followed by a response from me, backed up with scripture so that I can stop sounding like a broken record and lead people here because to be honest, it gets a little time consuming.

First here’s a little background info:

“The origin of the pre-tribulation rapture theory began with a fifteen-year-old girl named Margaret MacDonald in the town of Port Glasgow, Scotland. Supposedly in 1830 she had a dream or vision that Christians were raptured just prior to the Great Tribulation. In 1831 or 1832 a Presbyterian pastor in London, England named Edward Irving heard about this dream or vision that Miss MacDonald had and started teaching it to his congregation. These are well-known reports among scholars of eschatology. Something else that is well-documented is the fact that John Nelson Darby, the founder of a group known as the Plymouth Brethren, who after visiting Miss MacDonald also began teaching this new theory. 1

🙂 So bon appetit readers! Enjoy this appetizer (video) to wet your appetite and then enjoy the main course and dessert to follow. 😉
First, here’s the video:

Here’s a response I got that I think is worth sharing because it makes all the difference when we try to understand the context of the bible verses.

And here’s my response to this:
Hey sis,

Thank you very much for your message. I do appreciate it. You brought up some good points. As far as the verses that you brought up- I’m glad you mentioned them.

As we both can agree, context is very important in order to understand scripture clearly?

So, bear with me. This may sound confusing at first, but hopefully it will make sense as we go through scripture together. It’s not my words or interpretation we need to lean on, but God’s interpretation. (for seeing we do not see, and hearing we do not hear…)

The rapture doctrine states that it is the “Christians” who are the ones “taken” away while the wicked remain. Yet, the rest of scripture, goes against this notion and instead refers to the wicked as the ones being ‘taken’ away (done away with), and those in Christ are the ones left remaining. For example, you mentioned the days of Noah. Which is an excellent example, and if read in it’s proper context is referring to life and death. (Again which solidifies scriptures claims of a coming judgment yet also- eternal life for those saved)

Matthew 24:37-41 (KJV)

37But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

38For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,

39And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

40Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

41Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

In verse 39 it says that …”until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall the coming of the son of man be.” If I were to ask you…WHO were the ones taken away in the flood that verse 39 is talking about, we need to look back to what actually happened in scripture. You might recall from the story, that it was actually the “wicked” who were ‘destroyed’ and taken away from this earth while Noah and his family, (symbolic: the righteous), “remained”. Noah and his family were protected in the arc by God and didn’t perish with the wicked.

So in verse 39-41, we see a parallel happening here: the same situation is going happen like this again. God’s glorious return is going to be like the flood- where few will be saved and many will perish. God is coming back to judge (because he’s holy and can’t permit sin). And in his sovereign power he can give eternal life to whom he chooses (thank you Jesus) and take it away as he chooses. Lets look at that verse again:

V.39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

It is saying that the coming of the “Son of man is going to take them all away” and again we must ask: who are “they”? According to scripture, the wicked! And if we continue on in Matthew it paints a clearer picture for us on this issue.

V.40 says “Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.”

The wicked one will be taken away to the wrath of God, while the ‘saved’/righteous (through Christ) will remain (and be spared). Verse 41 repeats this.

Notice how the word taken has a completely different meaning when used in context with the rest of scripture. Here it means eternal death- and in rapture theology it means “whisked away into heaven”.

THEN, if you continue to read (lets go to verse 48 and forward)

it emphasizes the “wicked” not being prepared for the Lords coming and them, “the wicked” being sent to a very unpleasant place.

48But and if that evil servant shall say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming;

49And shall begin to smite his fellowservants, and to eat and drink with the drunken;

50The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of,

51And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

When Jesus spoke the parable in Matthew 13 (the wheat and the tares)

He explains what happens to the “tares” and the “wheat”.

The tares= the bad ungodly; wicked vs. the wheat=the godly; justified

He uses similar examples in other parables such as: a tree bearing no fruit vs. a fruit bearing tree, sheeps & goats…ect.

Anyways, in Matthew 13 V.30 it says this:

Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.

Matthew 25:32

32 All the nations will be gathered before Him, and He will separate them one from another, as a shepherd divides his sheep from the goats.

“The Father judgeth no man,” saith he, “but hath committed all judgment unto the Son” — that is, count him, and fall before him as their sovereign Lord, even as they honor the Father, and he hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man. And then he adds, “Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation” (John 5:22-29)

In the video I also talked about how the resurrection of being “caught up” in 1 thess 4:16-18 actually refers to a literal resurrection of the dead being brought to life which happens upon Christ Jesus (Yeshua Ha’mashiach’s) return to earth, and every knee will bow and tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord.

“The hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, and shall come forth;” etc. (John 5:28, 29).

“And the sea gave up the dead which were in it, and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them” (Revelation 20:13).

I hope some of this helps,
Love to hear your feedback.

Much Love sis!

Sources:

1  Bob Wells, Rapture –The real truth, http://robertwells.tripod.com/Rapture.html

2 Matthew 24, The KJV Bible
Matthew 25
1 Thessalonians 4

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3 thoughts on “There is no rapture. Hasta lluego….baby.

  1. [Amen, Ang. Great blog. I spied this informative goodie on the net. Enjoy. Lori]

    PRETRIB RAPTURE POLITICS

    Many are still unaware of the eccentric, 180-year-old British theory underlying the politics of American evangelicals and Christian Zionists.
    Journalist and historian Dave MacPherson has spent more than 40 years focusing on the origin and spread of what is known as the apocalyptic “pretribulation rapture” – the inspiration behind Hal Lindsey’s bestsellers of the 1970s and Tim LaHaye’s today.
    Although promoters of this endtime evacuation from earth constantly repeat their slogan that “it’s imminent and always has been” (which critics view more as a sales pitch than a scriptural statement), it was unknown in all official theology and organized religion before 1830.
    And MacPherson’s research also reveals how hostile the pretrib rapture view has been to other faiths:
    It is anti-Islam. TV preacher John Hagee has been advocating “a pre-emptive military strike against Iran.” (Google “Roots of Warlike Christian Zionism.”)
    It is anti-Jewish. MacPherson’s book “The Rapture Plot” (see Armageddon Books etc.) exposes hypocritical anti-Jewishness in even the theory’s foundation.
    It is anti-Catholic. Lindsey and C. I. Scofield are two of many leaders who claim that the final Antichrist will be a Roman Catholic. (Google “Pretrib Hypocrisy.”)
    It is anti-Protestant. For this reason no major Protestant denomination has ever adopted this escapist view.
    It even has some anti-evangelical aspects. The first publication promoting this novel endtime view spoke degradingly of “the name by which the mixed multitude of modern Moabites love to be distinguished, – the Evangelical World.” (MacPherson’s “Plot,” p. 85)
    Despite the above, MacPherson proves that the “glue” that holds constantly in-fighting evangelicals together long enough to be victorious voting blocs in elections is the same “fly away” view. He notes that Jerry Falwell, when giving political speeches just before an election, would unfailingly state: “We believe in the pretribulational rapture!”
    In addition to “The Rapture Plot,” MacPherson’s many internet articles include “Famous Rapture Watchers,” “Pretrib Rapture Diehards,” “Edward Irving is Unnerving,” “America’s Pretrib Rapture Traffickers,” “Thomas Ice (Bloopers),” “Pretrib Rapture Secrecy” and “Pretrib Rapture Dishonesty” (massive plagiarism, phony doctorates, changing of early “rapture” documents in order to falsely credit John Darby with this view, etc.!).
    Because of his devastating discoveries, MacPherson is now No. 1 on the “hate” list of pretrib rapture leaders who love to ban or muddy up his uber-accurate findings in sources like Wikipedia – which they’ve almost turned into Wicked-pedia!
    There’s no question that the leading promoters of this bizarre 19th century end-of-the-world doctrine are solidly pro-Israel and necessarily anti-Palestinian. In light of recently uncovered facts about this fringe-British-invented belief which has always been riddled with dishonesty, many are wondering why it should ever have any influence on Middle East affairs.
    This Johnny-come-lately view raises millions of dollars for political agendas. Only when scholars of all faiths begin to look deeply at it and widely air its “dirty linen” will it cease to be a power. It is the one theological view no one needs!
    With apologies to Winston Churchill – never has so much deception been foisted on so many by so few!

  2. Hey hun,

    I’ve done my research on my own and found that in 1 Thess 4:17 when it talks about how the believers in Christ who are dead will rise up first and we that “remain” will then be caught up with them, I believe the Paul was saying we that “remain” as in the “remaining” of those who belong to Jesus that have not been caught up yet will then be caught up to meet the ones who were once dead in the air.
    Also it says in 2 Thess 2:1-12 that before Christ actually returns, the evil one (antichrist) will be revealed and will start to deceive people which is known as the tribulation. but first in verse 1 it states that followers of Christ will first be caught in the air THEN in verse 3 after we are caught up in the air the anitchrist fullness will be revealed and as soon as that happens the tribulation period will start.
    The tribulation time was meant for the pouring out of God wrath upon those who rejected him or lived a double life. The body of Christ is not the one destined for God’s wrath, rather those that aren’t his so if he doesn’t call us up from the earth before the tribulation starts then we (his followers) would be facing the same wrath that was meant for those people who aren’t his which goes against what he initially intended for the purpose of the tribulation.
    And also in 2Thess 2:7 it says the anitchrist is already working but not fully because we(believers in Christ) are still here. But when we are taken up then the anitchrist will be fully revealed and will be able to fully do his work. So this is stating that we followers of christ will have to be gone first in order for the antichrist to be able to do his evil work on those that rejected God. Therefore causing a period where the followers of Christ will have to be gone inorder for this to happen!
    I hope I did a good job explaining it! 🙂

  3. Margaret Macdonald Was a Church-Splitter

    “church” RAPTURE “church”
    (present age) (tribulation)

    Pretrib leaders agree. John Walvoord’s “Rapture Question” (1979) says her view resembles the “partial-rapture view” and Hal Lindsey’s “The Rapture” (1983) admits that “she definitely teaches a partial Rapture.” But there’s more. Lindsey (p. 26) says partial rapturists see only “spiritual” Christians in the rapture and “unspiritual” ones left behind to endure Antichrist’s trial. And Walvoord (p. 97) calls partial rapturists “pretribulationists”!
    In the spring of 1830 Macdonald was the first person to see a pretrib (pre-Antichrist) rapture in the Bible. It was a partial rapture form of it since only those “filled with the Spirit” would be raptured before the revealing of “THE WICKED” (Antichrist). A few critics, favoring repeating more than researching, have seen “Church” in the tribulation section of her statement, have been unaware that the charts of all partial rapturists show “Church” on earth after their pretrib rapture (like the above chart shows), and have assumed that Margaret was a posttrib!
    In Sep. 1830 Edward Irving’s journal “The Morning Watch” (hereafter: TMW) was the first to publicly echo her novel view when it stated that spiritual “Philadelphia” would be raptured before “the great tribulation” and unspiritual “Laodicea” left on earth. In Dec. 1830 John Darby (the so-called “father of dispensationalism” even though he wasn’t first on any crucial aspect of it!) was still defending the historic posttrib rapture (in the “Christian Herald”) which he described as Christ’s coming for “His judging of the nations.”
    Pretrib didn’t spring from a “church/Israel” dichotomy, as many have assumed, but from a “church/church” one, as we’ve seen, and was based only on symbols!
    But innate anti-Jewishness soon appeared. (As noted, TMW (Sep. 1830) saw only less worthy church members left behind.) Two years later (Sep. 1832) TMW said that less worthy church members and “Jews” would be left behind. But by Mar. 1833 TMW was sure that only “Jews” would face the Antichrist!
    As late as 1837 the non-dichotomous Darby saw the church “going in with Him to the marriage, to wit, with Jerusalem and the Jews.” And he didn’t clearly teach pretrib until 1839. His basis then was the Rev. 12:5 “man child…caught up” symbol he’d “borrowed” (without giving credit) from Irving who had been the first to use it for the same purpose in 1831!
    For related articles Google “X-Raying Margaret,” “Edward Irving is Unnerving,” “Pretrib Rapture’s Missing Lines,” “The Unoriginal John Darby,” “Deceiving and Being Deceived” by D.M., “Pretrib Rapture Pride,” “Pretrib Rapture Dishonesty” and “Scholars Weigh My Research.” The most detailed and accurate book on pretrib rapture history is “The Rapture Plot” (see Armageddon Books online) – a 300-pager that has hundreds of disarming facts (like the ones above) not found in any other source.

    [Thanks AJ. Interesting. Found what’s above on the never boring web.]

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